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by on Feb 17, 2016

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There are very few music events I’ve attended in my nearly five years of covering Southern California’s underground scene that have made me both physically and mentally sick, but the Saint Laurent after party at the Palladium last Wednesday night managed to do both with an extra descriptor added for bad measure: heartsickness.

For a night billed as a “Tribute to Los Angeles Music” and emphasized through a musical line-up stacked with local bands, in the end it was the musicians themselves that were tributes to the cool-grifting capitalists of YSL and the swollen ego of Burger Records who, in their quest for world domination, seem happy to align themselves with just about anyone who comes their way, even those from the exclusive and elite enclaves of the fashion industry.

The event was benign to begin with: a fashion show followed by a free concert full of YSL creative director Hedi Slimane’s favorite local groups whose music and style inspired his latest collection and who were used in YSL’s advertisements for the event. Bands were given guest spots with the directive that they were to go to “fans” rather than industry folk; a nice touch that allowed regular kids to see Beck and Joan Jett in an intimate setting that would’ve been out of reach otherwise, while also cleverly concealing the fact that the entire Southern California music scene was being used as a cog in a YSL advertising campaign—what marketing types call “earned media” aka free PR.

Unfortunately, what started out as good clean fun quickly devolved into a shitshow that ended abruptly when an attendee fell off a balcony, ending the night right before Kim & the Created—who had done more to promote the event than anyone else—were to play. Lights on, show over, everyone go home.

I’m not surprised.

I’ve always thought that Hedi Slimane was little more than a carpetbagger, someone whose true talent lies not in creating but in correctly identifying creative centers before they pop, which he then aligns himself with and sucks dry before moving on when the wellspring turns to mud. He has always done this—just ask Pete Doherty. Yet, ever the optimist, I’d like to think Slimane truly loves music and believes that by photographing musicians, getting their names in Vogue, pasting their faces across billboards and allowing them a place in his runway shows, he is somehow elevating them above their station. But he is not. He is doing the opposite.

That was patently clear last Wednesday night.

Despite the glitz and glamour surrounding the event, what we ultimately experienced was little more than a run-of-the-mill Southern California underground rock show—and a poorly run one at that. It ran behind schedule and the bill was constantly changing until the night of the show, despite many of the bands dropped having been used in promo videos and print ads leading up to the evening. This made for a badly stacked line-up, indeed. Who follows up Joan Jett with the Allah-Las? Any promoter could’ve told you that was a bad idea unless you deliberately mean to drop energy levels and encourage people to find somewhere else to party, which many did.

Another troubling issue: the indiscriminate serving of alcohol. Again, any promoter worth their salt will tell you that you simply cannot have an all ages show where alcohol is served, especially if it’s being given away for free, without monitoring the shit out of the bar. When I made my way to the bar upon arrival I asked for and was served two drinks without question, one of which I could easily have handed over to an underage attendee with no punishment forthcoming for me, the bartender, or even the venue.

Yet there should be punishment for the utter lack of compassion and common sense I witnessed at the Palladium that night, although I know that there won’t be (except probably for me, for writing this.)

First of all, no matter how empathetic and sensitive the black and white images found in Hedi Slimane’s online diary are, they are merely caricatures of reality. They have no names and no voices, only faces—hipster Norma Desmonds for the rock and roll set. For someone who claims to be “documenting” the local scene, little of what is seen on Slimane’s website is reflective of the actual scene itself. It’s as though our diverse and vibrant community has been crammed through an Instagram filter that renders us all fitter, thinner, whiter. It is not a scene I recognize though I recognize some of the faces.

As far affording bands a larger audience via YSL’s global reach, it appears to me that rather than helping bands succeed, Slimane is setting them up with a false narrative of success that can prevent further evolution. How does being thrust into an international spotlight help a small band move forward once the eyes of the world have moved on to the next big thing? Who wants yesterday’s papers? For all the free press Slimane gave No Parents, Kim and the Created, and all the rest, their names barely appeared in the promotional materials created for the event, effectively negating recognition outside the context of the fashion show. Furthermore, all of the local bands were scheduled to play after anyone of of consequence had long since adjourned for the evening. How does that help their music get heard?

Still, Slimane is not the cruelest player on this dark stage. He is simply boosting his brand, which he could not do were there not conspirators ready and willing to sell themselves—and all of us—out.

Enter Burger Records.

Though Burger has put out some terrific records and done a lot of good work in the past, they now appear to have fully embraced their own hype, mistaking “right place/right time” good fortune for a divine providence that has brought the fashion industry to their door. Yet it makes total sense that Burger, of all labels, would be the most receptive to Slimane’s overtures.

Cathy Horyn of New York Magazine, never a fan of Slimane’s, had this to say about his work at YSL in a sobering op-ed entitled “The Business of Style” in which she praised his marketing acumen while remaining thoroughly critical of his art:

It’s as though [Slimane] refuses to strive for the standard goals of a luxury designer — to make modern, conceptual or intellectually resonating clothes. Instead, he makes straightforward commercial fashion that a woman can instantly relate to.

Place this burn in the context of the SoCal music scene and it becomes quite clear why Burger Records is a natural conspirator in Slimane’s naked opportunism. With apologies to Horyn:

It’s as though Burger refuses to strive for the standard goals of an independent label— to make modern, conceptual or intellectually resonating music. Instead, they make straightforward commercial music that anyone can instantly relate to. 

All this while proclaiming themselves cultural revolutionaries at the vanguard of pop. Burger call themselves a “label of love” but, for the moment, they appear far more interested in promoting themselves than protecting their bands—something you don’t see, for example, Sub Pop doing. Burger is a label of self-love. As with Horyn’s criticisms of Slimane, Burger has the attitude of a trendy major label sealed with an insincere kiss. They are apolitical and deeply anti-intellectual, their bubbly ALL CAPS captions concealing their hoary self-interest; as if smiley emojis erase their calculated intentions, their Wonderbread homogeneity and rapacious need to absorb anything remotely “cool” into their brand to stave off cultural irrelevance.

Sadly, the reality is that everything that happened at YSL’s Palladium show was entirely predictable and also, terribly, entirely warranted because it’s nearly impossible now to make a living as a musician. You must be privileged to be principled. Not selling out is a luxury many bands can no longer afford. Well, you might say, that’s entertainment. That’s rock and roll! And it is, in a way. Rock and roll was born at the crossroads of capitalism and revolution, and nothing can ever change the fact that (to quote Ellen Willis) there is “money to be made from rebels who are also consumers.” But to recognize this fact and to take shameless advantage of it anyway, all the while insisting upon the benevolence of your actions, is evil. It’s just evil. And if I have ever felt the presence of true evil, “Satan laughing with delight,” it was at the YSL x Burger party at the Palladium last Wednesday night.

YSL x Burger is a farce. And it’s high time for it to end. Enough of this.

Enough.

99 Comments

  1. buttbrain mc mfarts
    February 17, 2016

    amen

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  2. Dirty Merlin
    February 17, 2016

    damn yo.

    Reply
  3. Cheers
    February 18, 2016

    The balls it took to write this as an LA based blog who covers lo-fi / garage music is astounding. Great work!

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  4. James
    February 18, 2016

    amazing words Mariana, definitely feel your sentiment

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  5. Ryan
    February 18, 2016

    Well said

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  6. I.V.
    February 18, 2016

    I really appreciate your words. Thanks for the post; very validating.

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  7. burgerbrah
    February 18, 2016

    killer post, mariana. i think YSL helped bleached in terms of ‘exposure” but hosed no parents and kim and the created. burger has jumped the shark. traci lords signing autographs for $10 a pop this summer @ Burger Boogaloo is the worst idea ever – “hey burger teenagers – want to meet a 50 year-old former porn star?? — fork over $10.”

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  8. hahahahah
    February 18, 2016

    no parents is garbage

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  9. Dan
    February 18, 2016

    The main question this article raises for me is, why are you so angry? The way you write about this party just comes across a bit silly. “Cruelest player on this dark stage.” i mean, really? The world has so many real problems that it just seems a little strange to see something so seething over something so trivial. I talked to the burger dude once and he was nice enough to chat with me about music and my band, even though i was just some random kid. So maybe I’m biased. I do love the site though!

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    • haha
      February 18, 2016

      yes the ‘burger dude’ was nice to you for as long as he needed to be, to see if you had any interest in your band outside of your personal network.

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      • Dan
        February 18, 2016

        Or maybe he was just being a nice guy and we should find someone else’s nuts to jump on.

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        • haha
          February 18, 2016

          That could be entirely true..

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      • Kat
        February 19, 2016

        YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TRUE THIS ACTUALLY IS, THO.

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  10. James
    February 18, 2016

    Hahahaha! Those Burger idiots are gonna get their ASSES KICKED

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  11. Food fashion
    February 18, 2016

    And who are you?
    Next week on FOOD WARS: a (lo)pie talks shit on a burger(records).
    Hahaha who cares

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    • haha
      February 18, 2016

      obviously you care, or you wouldn’t have commented.

      Reply
      • Food fashion
        February 18, 2016

        I actually don’t care. I am just an internet troll. Wanna play 20 Questions?

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  12. Burger Fashionista
    February 18, 2016

    i think that dude black chris is the next ysl model. is he on burger?

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    • Connor
      February 18, 2016

      Lol that dude is such a tool

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    • Leave BeeCee Alone
      February 18, 2016

      His name is Blaque Chris. He’s actually a nice person. He’s not in a band or affiliated with Burger Records. He owns the Cha Cha Lounge and a Subway store in Covina.

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      • Um.
        February 19, 2016

        BC is friends with pretty much every major Burger player. He gets in free to all their big events. This is called “following the trail” and you’re doing a really bad job at it. Sorry you drank the BC Kool Aid. That guy is a trust fund alcoholic piece of crap.

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      • ImSoCred
        February 21, 2016

        There is no better sentence than “owns the a Chance Cha Lounge and a Subway in Covina”. The East Side is a really great place, but it’s people can be so intolerably hypocritical. Talking shit about anything mainstream, but owning a Subway is almost poetic. The culture of acting broke, buying a 3-speed from St Vincent DePaul, while getting $2800 per month from mom and dad, wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t all talk so much shit about the rest of us hard working shmucks. God forbid we might live in Hollywood, or listen to music that we like, lest we get berated by a dude with a man-bun, droopy sweater and knock off Cali DeWitt facial hair.

        As for the article, I’m torn between loving it and completely flummoxed by what the writer finds heartbreaking. I mean, these things are nothing new, and the digital age has forced bands to make decisions to do stuff like this. And it’s not like these offers come every week. Usually never. Of course a band will take the opportunity to be seen. The ends just might justify the means. The definition of punk rock has morphed into doing whatever you want, without working 9–5 for the man. But the other day I got an invitation to join LinkedIn, a job search site, by Keith Morris. If the singer of the Circle Jerks and OFF! can be on LinkedIn then I don’t see the harm in. Jumping on board wherever there’s a chance.

        I gotta ask though. Are you seriously that offended and upset about the fact that a minor might have gotten a drink? You don’t remember going to shows and occasionally pulling off the all time coup of getting a beer somehow? I think there are worse sins in the world of rock. (Am I allowed to call it rock, or is that not cool anymore?).

        I did love the article kinda. Just for your overall balls. And that stands for more than anything.

        -I

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  13. Feel The Burn
    February 18, 2016

    Prediction — Burger Records partners with the Bernie Sanders campaign. — “Bern One With Burger” or “Feel The Bern At Burger Records”

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  14. triple 6
    February 18, 2016

    Isn’t Satan the best part of Rock n Roll

    The whole point is the enigma

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  15. teenie
    February 18, 2016

    i was there, too. because i was there, i get where your anger is coming from.

    great article.

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  16. Rose
    February 18, 2016

    Good read. This is true in some part. Thank you Mariana.

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  17. Ahh
    February 18, 2016

    PREACH

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  18. Richard
    February 18, 2016

    Burger Records and everything associated with it is pretty sucky.

    I have been saying it since 2011/12. It’s all Soul less and ball less mal nutritioned millenial trust fund beard rock.

    Perhaps people will wake up and realize that Burger Fests o Rama and all that crap is just a hipster version of a hookah smokin BMW driving armo drowned in cologne Hollywood blvd bottle service night circle jerk.

    Not good and not gonna matter in 10 years.

    What emo rock scene was for 2004-2008

    Burger/BlackChris/echopark/silverlake is for 2012-2016.

    An embarassing footnote of 2000′s “rock”

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  19. kevin fartface
    February 18, 2016

    You have some good points but would this article have an argument if some kid didn’t get too drunk and fall off a balcony? Palladium should’ve beefed up staff and made sure they knew what was going on at the event.

    If that doesn’t happen, the show goes on, photos, press, reviews, etc. — that’s what helps bands get recognition.

    With that said, I still wish the show wasn’t sponsored by a fashion co.

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    • haha
      February 18, 2016

      A band gets recognition by writing great music and then working their asses off to get attention. They will need to do something new and groundbreaking to get attention. Photos, press, reviews, and sponsors can’t do anything if a band isn’t unique and groundbreaking. That being said, none of the bands on Burger Records sounds new or groundbreaking, they all sound like retro-rehashes

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      • Hahaha
        February 18, 2016

        Assuming you’re the author, you’ve buit an entire website/identity on reviewing retro rehashes. Is Lo Pie somehow not part of the problem?

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      • Brian
        February 18, 2016

        “Photos, press, reviews, and sponsors can’t do anything if a band isn’t unique and groundbreaking. ” You clearly have no idea how the music industry works. Do you know how many shitty bands are out there making tons of music because of photos, press, reviews, sponsors, etc.? Sadly, you certainly don’t have to be unique or groundbreaking to make it big in music.

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      • Kevin
        February 18, 2016

        Its 2016 man. Every band needs to have a strong social media game. Every band needs to have shit to stay in the minds of our adhd society. Every bands poor so they do this shit themselves as a third job.

        I wish it were as simple as writing good tunes and kicking your feet up and pasting yourselves on the back but the truth is all those things: pictures, video, reviews – they all play a big role in getting and staying in people’s ears.

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  20. Rebel
    February 18, 2016

    So fucking true, fuck yes

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  21. RR
    February 18, 2016

    Burger: booger eater scene eatin stale boogers -acting like their boogers are somehow fresher than the boogers the booger eater across the room is eating. Cool scene

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  22. Rebel
    February 18, 2016

    yassssss

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  23. Heywood
    February 18, 2016

    The only source I’ve been able to find for “an attendee fell off a balcony” is Kim’s Facebook page and those who took her word for it without citing a second source.
    Either the MSM ignored the juicy story of Saint Laurent’s irresponsibility resulting in the death of a young patron(doubtful) or Kim, mortified and humiliated over having been cut, made it up.

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    • Side note
      February 18, 2016

      Hey man,

      The kid who fell is a friend of a friend. It was all an accident but he was really badly hurt. When it happened there weren’t a lot of people left in the venue so only a handful of people saw it. I’m not going to give his name because they’ve asked for privacy right now but let’s all leave the kid out of this. We’ve all made mistakes so let’s leave it at that.

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      • Heywood
        February 18, 2016

        I don’t need to know his name, I just find it odd that the only ones reporting this are Kim and her friends.
        When someone fell during a Blink 182 concert in 2013, the news media was all over it. Why wouldn’t they do the same now, especially at a high profile event involving YSL and several A-list celebrities?

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      • Fallen Hero
        February 18, 2016

        The kid who fell off the balcony was Black Chris. He did a Jager Bomb and tried to jump on to Lady Gaga. That’s why YSL is making him the next model, so he doesn’t sue them. True story.

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    • Jer Nomi
      February 18, 2016

      kid fell off balcony before kim and the created even were on stage. sometime during no parents an attendee “fell” off the 2nd story balcony.

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      • Heywood
        February 18, 2016

        Kim said on her FB page:
        “Right as we were about to start, the stage manager unplugged our gear and told us to get off the stage with no explanation.”
        If the afterparty were cut short due to an accident that occurred earlier, she would never have even made it on to the stage…

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        • Side note
          February 18, 2016

          Look man, I don’t know why you’re chasing down some X-Files conspiracy theory shit but the truth is a kid fell, his buddy gave him CPR, they brought in a stretcher and took him to the hospital. The organizers were informed of the incident had a quick meeting, contacted the stage manager to shut down the show.

          There were only about 50-60 people left in the venue at that moment. It was nearly three in the goddamn morning, all of the press people went home following Joan Jett (I know this because I was trying to GET press people to stay for all of the bands but alas the show went too late.) THATS why you didnt hear anything in the press because no one was there to write about it!

          She made that post before hearing the full story of what happened.

          If you have a problem with her music fine, but don’t insinuate that she made something like that up.

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    • M
      April 27, 2016

      The Palladium has accidents like that all the time. My friend works there–and was working the night of the Saint Laurent event– and said two more incidences of people falling and getting extremely hurt happened two more times within a month after the event. Not that it makes each occurrence any less important, I’m just saying Saint Laurent had little to do with the guy falling besides the fact that he was there for the event (he didn’t die). A girl impaled her leg on a fence at a Fetty Wap show there trying to scale the building because she got turned away for being too drunk…

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  24. Chupa
    February 18, 2016

    What’s the big deal? Rock bands have been partying with fashion designers since the 60s. Maybe this one party did suck, I’ve heard mixed opinions from friends who went, but I wouldn’t really discredit everything Burger has done over that. Sometimes bands need extra exposure and shittilly enough sometimes they have to do things like the ysl campaigns. Sunflower Bean did one last summer and nobody seems to be bothered about that this year…

    And, BeeCee for president

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    • The Writer
      February 18, 2016

      President of what? The Dumbshit Club for Useless, Delusional Fucktards? If so, then you got my vote.

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  25. kim and the created sucks
    February 18, 2016

    kim and the created really fucking sucks

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    • Um.
      February 19, 2016

      Agreed. The “waify girl writhing in front of male musicians” act is tired and boring and insulting to the women in LA who actually, you know, play their instruments and make their music without sexualizing themselves.

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      • faggot
        February 19, 2016

        found the feminist

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  26. Lisa
    February 18, 2016

    Amazing article. I couldn’t quite put my finger on why this event seemed so awkward and dishonest. And this said it all. So greatly written.

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  27. Miguel
    February 18, 2016

    Yeah that was confusing. How can you stand for DIY lifestyle, second hand clothing, being dirty and drunk and shit, fuck corporations and the mainstream then take part in a designer’s event that sells overpriced wear and who’s customers would definitely scoff at you on the street?
    Such an odd combo. I thought the whole thing was another typical sarcastic Burger-scene type joke but then it was real lol

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  28. you are dumb
    February 18, 2016

    ok um you’re mad that they didn’t monitor the shit out of everybody’s alcohol consumption chill the fuck out

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  29. Butt
    February 18, 2016

    Wohhh this article is very harsh, I mean yea the whole music scene in la is very self-indulgent but I wouldn’t blame Heidi Slimane he’s a clever business man and yea he takes advantage of young people’s ignorance and lack of marketing and business skills, those burger records guys aren’t as evil as you’re making it out they’re all just tools in a sort of money making clockwork capitalism has created. Basically there are much worse issues to be highlighted than to simply vilinize slimane if anything the brand as a whole is evil, but you’re right at the end of the day I think they’re all just a bunch of greedy attention seeking hipsters that lack substance but to simply blame one person for this is giving him too much credit

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    • buttguts
      February 19, 2016

      IDK man, I think she has a pretty good point about Heidi and I even like a lot of his work.

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  30. Killblaquechris
    February 18, 2016

    here is where you realize that this whole entire fucking time these trust fund entitled brats, who everyone wants to be friends with for some odd reason (or Coke addiction) are trend setting Los Angeles rock and roll scene. Not only that they are monopolizing it creating a fucking firewall for people who are virtually unknown/new /different sounding to the scene. These shmucks (including lollipop) are given free reign with some of the biggest talent buyers in the game giving local bands who come from no money/connections no choice but to suck the very dick that feeds this place with its dumbass pointless none political rehashed reverb sound. Keeping many amazing hardworking musicians swept under the cool rugs these kids will soak it in and continue to butt fuck each other’s egos in a non stop suck off circle jerk until they end up the old music morons calling shots for younger generations which are linked to them. It kinda is a cult except with bands like Kim + created stupid gimmick ass trying to emulate black flag with literally zero substance in her god damn lyrics and music or the mystic braves coming from daddy’s money tree showing up in a god damn Mercedes sprinter bus for sound check in ridiculous vintage garb as their uniforms to look so 1966 dropping out on synthetic shithole LSD and speedy cut cocaine

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    • holy fuck
      February 18, 2016

      BAHAHAHAHA!

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    • lolipop is garbage
      February 18, 2016

      This comment just about sums up everything quite coherently. Bout time people are finally starting to notice how fucked the LA scene has gotten over the last 3-4 years and are actually saying something.

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    • Hipster transplants fuck off!
      February 19, 2016

      Yes, AGREED!

      Been saying “fuck lollipop” since day one. Fuck their 5th wave “psychedelic” tunes

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      • Um.
        February 19, 2016

        LOLIPOP IS A TRUST FUND PLAYGROUND. Just because you have cash to put out every record you think is “good” doesn’t mean you run a solid business. Look how many of their bands aren’t even bands anymore. I’d be curious to see how many tapes they’ve actually sold by some of their artists.

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    • so true
      February 19, 2016

      Well said! They’re literally buying themselves a self insulated scene, stocking it full of the same shitty, soft bands then running it into the ground. Lollipop/Burger and their cronies are notoriously flakey and fake, often leaving a bad taste and bad vibe. Wish my dad was in the biz so I could afford to galavant around in decades old fashion and play really lame fucking psych.

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    • Lmao
      February 19, 2016

      Loooool goddamn. Burger getting BTFO. You summed it up pretty nicely.

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  31. DJ KHALED
    February 18, 2016

    To all of you who went to the party with THEY.
    CONGRATULATIONS, YOU PLAYED YOSELF.

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  32. BlargerRecords
    February 18, 2016

    i love this article so much, ive been saying this. the “Burger” family has the same shit, and while they used to encourgae new music, now its all about promoting themselves and the really shitty bands that for whatever reason, people tend to like the most. i just think its a wave and right now they are riding it as musch as they can, because bubbles do pop, and there bubble is long over due. i think what people are doing though is seeing what burger has done, and just doing it themselves now, well at least i am. you dont need burger to get “famous” you just need to find people that want to put on shows, and play them. if you build it they will come!

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    • buttguts
      February 19, 2016

      Sean and Lee are pretty nice dudes as far as I have experienced them and there are good burger releases like hello “Devotion” by Distracted shredded! RIP Glen!

      But having played Burger shows and with many Burger bands it gets really old dealing with the snotty premadonna types who all make the same sounds. But hey man that’s LA right now for you.

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  33. amy
    February 18, 2016

    Terrific article and right on the mark. Burger’s credibility has been in steady decline and it’s this fashion industry ass kissing that puts the nail in the coffin of a label that has nothing, new, fresh, or fwd thinking to offer. They offer redundant “lo/fi /garage/psych rock” that is as flaccid as it’s mostly white, middle class, suburban roster. There are no “rebels” in the poseur pack and there is no rock and roll without rebels and there is no “rock and roll chic” without any real rock stars. The event the other night was a shit show with no real rockers in sight (i saw a few but I also saw them leave before the runway show ended)

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  34. Cry Baby
    February 18, 2016

    This review is “a farce”. Guys like this were making a fuss about sell-outs and money-machines back when your mom was in high school. Why is everyone reading into his work so hard? The bands were just there to entertain the reception, the guy who fell was a 30 something year old man who was trippin balls and thought he could crowd surf to Cherry Glazerr (that part is actually sad). I don’t think anyone realizes just how anti-corporate what he did really was…. Sure there were glitches but there was only a few months to pull it off. At the end of the day, no one else is doing what he’s doing and that doesn’t sound like selling out to me…

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  35. Button smash
    February 18, 2016

    I’m happy someone actually said SOMETHING about this!!!! It was this big huge deal and there wasn’t any coverage on it besides people’s instagrams (lol). Burger has been putting out mediocre garage bands that do cater to just about anyone. LO Pie has been an active supporter of this by covering and even praising low brow, wish wash bands that are truly lost in their own faux scene. When it comes down to it, we all have our own opinions and tastes in music, I like the criticism even if I don’t necessarily agree with it. Things need to be talked about instead of just accepting that this is the way things should be. Let’s stir this fucking pot

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  36. blacque Chris sucks
    February 18, 2016

    Im just here for the Blacque Chris roasting. Dude is pointless.

    Lo Pie sucks too you guys review the same trash music you’re hating on. Just stop.

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    • BlackChris Rulez
      February 18, 2016

      i didn’t realize Blauque Chris owned a subway in Covina. i heard he owned the Taco Truck outside of Cha Cha. i do know he is the tour manager for Cage The Elephant. He’s also a guitar tech for Rancid. YSL would be lucky to have him. He’s in demand.

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  37. GrimyGoods = Click Bait
    February 18, 2016

    I hear Grimy Goods is writing a rebuttal. All that site does is give away tickets to shitty shows so they can get free passes to Coachella to do “hot or not” features. That’s literally the worst site in LA behind Buddyhead and BuzzBands. The rebuttal is for click bait b/c they are jealous of LoPie. Fuck bloggers and Burger Records.

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    • j
      February 18, 2016

      yup and it was pathetic. heaven forbid somebody has valid criticism to give of both. i don’t mind grimy disagreeing but the sycophantic tone was gross. gotta keep those with big heads happy i guess.

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  38. Mayra
    February 18, 2016

    Looks like GrimyGoods published a rebuttal. I couldn’t agree more with it. Soul claps all around.

    http://www.grimygoods.com/2016/02/18/you-just-dont-get-it-rebuttal-lo-pies-post-saint-laurent-ysl-burger-records-party/

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    • S
      February 19, 2016

      Remember that time Aldo got one punch KO’d by McGregor? This is like that. It’s far too late. The hive has been kick, you guys are on the ground wonder where that truck came from. Take the L, Take the D, Take a fucking hint. All the smart and funny said everything that mattered and you guys are simply not in that category.

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  39. Ty Seagull
    February 18, 2016

    Black Khris is sponsored by Levi jean jackets and Ray Ban. He sells vintage rock n’ roll buttons in the parking lot behind his Subway franchise in Covina. He doesn’t own Cha Cha Lounge. He’s a DJ for KROQ on the weekends.

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  40. shitfather
    February 19, 2016

    I am so grateful for this I want to staple it to my head

    THANK YOU

    !!!!!!

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  41. Tina
    February 19, 2016

    Wait, Hedi Slimane is a dude?? And this whole time I’ve been calling her Crandall!

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  42. Blaque Chris
    February 19, 2016

    Hell yeah guys I do suck! Not as much as this garbage article but hopefully one day I’ll get there. I can only hope to one day start a useless blog like this.

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    • the truth
      February 19, 2016

      why are you here then? bounce your muppet looking ass out of here.

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      • blacque Chris sucks
        March 1, 2016

        got um!

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  43. so true
    February 19, 2016

    So glad this was written. The bloated, self righteous reign of Burger/Lolipop records needs to end. It’s this endless cycle of cliquey, overwhelmingly white, suburban, trust fund garage rock. The bands put out are the blandest, softest, and most redundant bands in the scene and are indicative of their self absorbed ideals. Mystic Braves, Mr. Elevator, and their cronies come from cushy, well funded backgrounds and just flooded “their” scene with a handful of the same bands then just ran it into the ground leaving no room for the other working groups. They’re notoriously flaky and fake, often leaving a bad taste in your mouth after dealing with them.

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  44. zach
    February 19, 2016

    Under-informed hater, right in line with the Lo-Pie crew. Being a misanthropic, shit-spewer is really off-putting. Later.

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  45. Dr. Mold
    February 19, 2016

    This write up is incredible. The honesty is greatly admired. Well done Mariana!

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  46. Chillpizzabro420
    February 19, 2016

    Man U guys need 2 relax. Burger records are just some chill dudes who like pizza and snacks and like 2 wear Hawaiian shirts and play authentic psychedelic garage rock. Just wait till you hear the new Cool Groovy Dudes record, you will flip your shit.

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  47. please help
    February 19, 2016

    i moved to california to meet blacc chris. i took a greyhound here with the last of my money, with enough left over for a double tequila at cha cha. i didnt know what he looked like so i just started screaming his name until a bouncer kicked me out. ive applied to work at his subway, but ive heard nothing yet. i am currently homeless. if anybody knows him please reply. im at an apple store using their computer, i come here between 10-12 every morning.

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  48. Blaque Jared
    February 19, 2016

    First off, the article is spot on. Don’t hate on LoPie. However I do like the bands that played the after party and Burger has some good releases. Sean and Lee are great guys but they have major label partnerships in Los Angeles. They’ll figure out how to get back to the basics next year.

    Blaque Chris is an entrepreneur, plain and simple. Why beat the guy up for opening a Subway store in Covina? His store is doing amazing business since Chipotle shit the bed. He hires a ton of punk-rock kids who don’t give a fuck but they make a mean Turkey and Swiss Sub. They also hook their friends up with free 32oz Diet Sierra Mists and Oatmeal cookies. Who said Blaque Chris doesn’t give back to the community? He’s not the next YSL model but he did fall off the balcony during the Cherry Glazzerr’s set and landed on Adam Levine. Thank God no one was injured.

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  49. Subway Covina
    February 19, 2016

    His name isn’t Black Chris. It’s Blaque Kris. He legally changed his name to Kris because he admired Kris Jenner’s parenting skills while watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians. He doesn’t own the Subway store in Covina, he works there when isn’t hosting Part Time Punks at Cha Cha Factory. He created Part Time Punks with Shannon from Shannon & The Clams. They released an album on Burger, I think. They pay Kris with well tequila and a free place to shower before his shift at the Subway in Covina.

    Lo Pie is the best blog in LA county!

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  50. KRISS KROSS
    February 19, 2016

    Yall tripping, BC is the namer of the donuts at Donut Friend and started Crossfit AND owns that Subway in Covina AND cha cha. Haters gonna hate hate hate.
    Plus I heard he fell on Beebs and popped that kids new lip injections.

    So mad I barely know wtf this stupid blog is now. SMH

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  51. The Real Blaque Chris
    February 19, 2016

    OMG! LOL!! Yo – quit hating on me!! OMFG — I really do own a Subway in Covina. Check out my Tumblr – (Black Chris Covina – link below). The other stuff is nonsense – LOL. I’m not a trust-fund kid I earned my paper from my Subway Franchise in Covina. I didn’t fall off of the balcony at the Palladium -> smh. I just did a little stage diving during Belched’s set. They are my besties. Hit me up on Tumblr if you are a punk-rock brah looking for employment. Everybody is working for the weekend. LOL

    https://blackchriscovina.tumblr.com/

    LoPie For Life

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    • blacque Chris sucks
      March 1, 2016

      blacque chris was suppose to be in the new Zoolander movie but his contracts with Subway and Vans wouldn’t permit it.

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  52. Monique
    February 20, 2016

    Yes!! The underground scene in LA is like teenage rebellion dragged out too far with way too much pride. Glorifying mediocrity and beer bellies and burping into microphones is just not exciting. I’m so excited for what’s next after this shitty lapse in judgement of aesthetic and content !!

    Also Omg the rebuttal from grimy goods was not only terribly written and obvious “exposure is good lets see the positive blah blah blah” whining …
    But it didn’t get to the point at all !

    This article sums up so much more than just the event itself. It sums up the entire scene and the essence of how hype-based underground music/arts feel these days! Thank you Mariana

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  53. Meeeeee
    February 20, 2016

    Wahhh…..Boring critics. Cant believe i read that….Let’s go get french fries….without yelp. Score.

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  54. CliffsNotes
    February 20, 2016

    Okay, clearly a lot of you kids need this article to be in CliffsNotes form because it seems the overall message of this went right over your heads. Not only was I there, but I also work professionally in the music industry where I’ve been to many events like this and have worked with many bands in this “scene.” Maybe I can give some point of view from a professional standpoint. I know some you kids don’t like reading but bear with me…

    I’m going to go through a run down of what many of you are outraged about in this article.

    * “All underground shows start late, have drunk people and have issues! If you don’t like it, stop going to shows!”

    You’re right. Many underground shows are poorly organized, run over time and are filled with shit faced kids and people. Yet, THIS WASN’T AN UNDERGROUND SHOW. It was a god damn fashion show put on by one of the biggest names in fashion at one of the most legendary venues in rock and roll, the Palladium! Beck played. Father John Misty played. JOAN JETT played. This wasn’t an underground show. This was a show, presented essentially as a glamours party INSPIRED by the underground scene. Therefore, the organization of this show, especially in regards to the “underground” bands they had on the bill, should have been handled as professionally as possible. Here are some tips on how this could have gone better

    A) You don’t put a band like Allah Las after Joan Jett. They’re a sleepy psych / surf band. One of two that night with Mystic Braves also being on the bill. You want people to stay for all of these underground artists you’re celebrating? Put the damn Sloths on next or Kim and the Created or fucking Bleached or No Parents! Literally, every other band aside from Mystic Braves could have saved the energy in that room and perhaps more people would have stayed. I was standing in the back of the venue during their set and saw the mass exodus of people saying how awful the set was. Sorry dudes.

    B) Shows always go late but NEVER in Los Angeles does a show continue to go until 4am. Once again, you want people to stay to see these amazing up and coming bands you discovered? Make sure they go on earlier. Maybe stagger the big name bands and the little bands? Maybe NOT book so many bands so they play to 60 people in the Palladium at 3am. Maybe only book, 4 bands and have the Burger dudes or WHOEVER DJ the rest of the night. (The DJ was on point I have to say.) Booking SO many bands and having the event go so incredibly late isn’t helping the bands you hoped to help.

    * “Fuck you for judging these bands for playing and doing this. They got exposure, billboards, ads in the NY times. This helped their career! That, AND they are getting helped from Hedi!”

    Agreed. To a point. Once again, I work in music and the reality is bands don’t make a lot of money off records or shows anymore. The money comes in from music licensing and doing events like this. No judgement! It’s incredibly badass when someone huge like YSL wants to work with tiny bands who might not “even be known on their block”!

    Yet, here’s the problem. On ALL of those billboards, print ads, and posters hanging around the city of our beloved local bands, NONE of them actually featured the band name. Even Hedi’s photobook doesn’t include the names of the bands or members that he’s photographing. So tell me, how does that help these small bands? Sure, they share the ads on their socials and tell their families and such, but what about people outside of that circle?

    By not including their names on all of the promo materials takes away the power of those people being “the faces of Los Angeles underground music” to simply being punk rock looking models. So now, when a music sup. picks up that ad they think “Huh, cool model.” Instead of “I wonder what No Parents sounds like?”

    * “Okay but what about the show? It’s amazing they gave those bands an opportunity to play with Beck, JJ and FJM and MAYBE someone in the crowd could have seen them and use them for other events or fashion spreads.”

    True! But once again, with the failure of not being able to forecast the energy drop (Allah Las), and having so many bands play so late into the night, all of those people who COULD have done something? Fucking left. Once again, people who work in music and fashion, ACTUALLY dont like staying out until 4 in the morning. We go to SO many of these things people become more jaded and you have to work for their attention. I know that’s shitty, but it’s the truth and the people organizing the schedule should have known that.

    Also, the lineup of who was playing that night was NEVER revealed to the public or advertised at all. Don’t you think if this were truly a night of celebrating these bands they would try to not only mention their clothing line, but ALSO try to always mention the bands that were helping them advertise and play their event?

    * “But I had fun! Why make this negative?”

    Great! You had fun! I had fun! Bands had fun! The writer seemed to have fun, to a point. (Check the Lo-Pie socials), but this article wasn’t about YOU having fun. It’s about how this night was advertised as a night celebrating local up and coming acts yet, aside from a 15 second video on instagram and the YSL site, they certainly made an effort to not advertise the bands or musicians.

    Anyone who truly cares about the success of these bands should be equally excited for them and the opportunity AND disappointed in how little “exposure” they were actually given.

    * “FINE! Where are the facts? This is slander! This is illegal!”

    No it’s fucking not. This article is strictly observational and is more philosophical than an EXPOSE. Everything this person said is out of observing what was going on. Need proof? It’s out there as plain as day to see.

    Okay now… Burger Records.

    * “Why are you talking shit on Burger? They’ve done so much for local bands and the scene!”

    Yes they have! Once again, to a point. When Burger started out, it was a label trying to help PROMOTE bands that they loved and played in. It was a label that started as a place where hopefully they could give their friends more exposure to like minded people. By doing that, it was great! They’ve really created something special.

    BUT sometime in the last few years if you pay attention, the focus has now been on BURGER not the BANDS. They advertise bands as “BURGER BANDS” grab a “BURGER CLASSIC”! Have you gotten enough BURGER? Somewhere the focus changed from bands being the focus to BURGER being the focus. SO many bands want to have something out on Burger for the simple sake of having the “Burger” stamp on it in hopes that it will give them more exposure. For awhile that worked but now it’s not that way. I’ve counted. In 2015, Burger released on AVERAGE about 2 releases for everyday of the calendar year. How can a consumer OR music journalist OR music supervisor keep up with such output? It seems to have become a place where they’ll throw anything at the wall and wait to see what sticks. And when they stick? WELCOME TO BURGERAMA!

    Once again, you can admire and appreciate Burger Records while also criticizing. I have great hope for those dudes to recalibrate or maybe take a look at other labels they admire. Perhaps they can wind down on the output and focus on boosting the bands they personally think have some quality (and trust me, there are a lot of small “Burger” bands made up of poor kids that could us the added boost.)

    I’ll leave you with this…

    Though this article is clearly written out of anger and frustration, isn’t that a good thing? Isn’t it good that someone cares SO much about the bands involved that they risked putting their publication AND themselves on the line?

    With this article, everyone can continue talking shit or go play more shows or simply ignore it. This small blog vocally stated a clearly unpopular opinion and risked being blacklisted by everyone involved. For a blog whose whole world is centered around this scene, they must of cared a fuck ton to risk that.

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  55. CliffsNotes
    February 20, 2016

    PS…

    WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE WRITING STYLE. Listen to the points. Leave the grammar policing for your english class.

    - <3 Someone who is also horrible at grammar

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  56. Eve Libertine
    February 23, 2016

    Conclusion: you are all a bunch of whining children who don’t deserve a scene. LA has a vibrant music scene yet you want to eat your young. All of you should shut the fuck up. none of you are punk. That ended back in the 70′s. None of you are revolutionary (that ended in the 60s) Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the music for what it is… music. Entertainment. Its not for everyone and not everyone is for it. Like what you like. Don’t like it. Who gives a shit. If you hate something then start your own label/music night.. whatever it is. All you fuck can do is sit and whine about shit.

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  57. Red Hat
    February 25, 2016

    Love the article, L.A. really needs to start criticizing their musicians a lot more. Just cause you put the effort into writing a song or whole album doesn’t mean its good or has talent

    Burger and Lollipop is watered down psych/garage scene of a watered down psych scene from 15 plus years ago via the BJM (yeah they suck too!) plus if your going to make “psych” music which every other band in L.A. thinks they are doing, you have too do a LOT more drugs cause your music is BORING! no adventure, no risk, no thrill. What happened? Did their balls drop off?

    I dont think music should just be entertainment, it should be more than wearing fashionable clothes or running around on stage half or fully naked, thats entertainment, leave that to Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber. The underground is suppose to be more, it should be a breeding ground the next movement, trying to push where modern art can go – art should push foreword and present wild and insane theories and philosophies, not just bitching about how a girl and/or boy hurt your feelings and learn to actually play an instrument and put some effort into writing a song. Pouring your heart out about your feelings from vapid relationships is not enough.

    itd be a little different of all the bands performing at YSL we’re in high school, I couldnt judge but half of them are like 30. I get it, exposure is exposure but even whores are selective of their clients, atleast the good ones!

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  58. blacque Chris sucks
    March 1, 2016

    I hired Blaqcue Chris as entertainment at my sons birthday party and was NOT amused. I want a refund. He spiked the fruit punch with vodka and would not stop bragging about how close he was with some guy named Max Demarco. I think the words he used were “permanent guest list”?.. The nerve!

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    • blacque Chris sucks
      March 1, 2016

      oh and he wouldn’t stop asking me if I had any PBR’s. Is that a supplement or something?

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  59. Tristan
    May 3, 2016

    Nice article. Valid points

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